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The greatest drawback is that the book chooses not to see this. Even if Anand did not see it, Arundhati should have seen it. This is because Anand might have had many commercial interests. If Arundhati writes a foreword, the book would sell internationally. Although he prefers to call himself an anti-caste publisher, a publication always has a business end to it.

Santhosh: You are an acquaintance of Anand. Have you felt Anand has had such interests?

Kapicadu: I do not think Anand is all about marketing strategy. A marketing expert just would not depend on an existing market, but would create a new one.

Anand is a good marketing expert, and in that sense he cannot be faulted. But when that marketing expertise operates through Ambedkar, my interest is in analysing what happens to Ambedkar's ideas and the social upheavals generated by those ideas, and not in saying that Anand should not have brought out the book.

K Santhosh: Ambedkar centenary was celebrated in India in During this time Ambedkar's works were getting published widely in Maharashtra under the stewardship of Vasant Moon. In Malayalam too, as part of the project, the complete works of Ambedkar were being widely published and read. Does Arundhati's study discard the fact that these publishing efforts engendered a resurrection of Dalit consciousness? Kapicadu: We cannot look at it like that. What happened after Maharashtra government's initiatives to publish the complete works of Ambedkar and publishing AoC with Arundhati Roy's introduction cannot be compared.

The new book performs a totally different function. Santhosh: Even now you keep referring to it as 'Arundhati's book'.

Isn't there the logic of stardom at work here? Kapicadu: Not in the least. I have gone through the book; got it directly from Delhi for the purpose. One thing I have understood clearly is that this book is not about AoC. Arundhati's foreword is the focus area of the book, as reflected in its sales. I claim that this book is Arundhati's not because I am a fan of hers.

I respect her as a writer, even as I am critical of her writings. Even if I am not personally close to her, I know her well. I neither worship nor harbour any enmity towards her. From Ambedkar's first paper, Castes in India:Their Mechanism, Genesis and Development, presented in , the introductory study goes through the speeches made by him in the constituent assembly.

However, Gandhi-Ambedkar controversy remains the crux of the introduction. The arguments in the introduction revolve around that core. Arundhati claims that she needed to talk about Gandhi a lot because she had to explain why Ambedkar felt the need to enter into a conflict with a great man like Gandhi.

However, I do not think it is as innocent as she puts it. Santhosh: Ambedkar has written that it is wrong to think that if Gandhi were to speak no dog would bark in India. Kapicadu: Yes, that is right, Ambedkar has written likewise. After the publication of AoC, although there was a welter of criticism, Ambedkar's stance was that he would only respond to Gandhi, as Gandhi's utterances were considered authoritative.

No dog would bark in front of that authority. Ambedkar wrote that it was this aspect that prompted him to respond to Gandhi. We opened this discussion by talking about why Arundhati's book was being criticized.

Due to her star power, there are readers who take her to be authentic. There is a mistake in that, and that's why we are discussing it here. As an Ambedkarite, one of the epochal moments in Indian history for me had been the period when Dalits started considering Ambedkar beyond the framework of the Ambedkar-Gandhi controversy.

During that period, Dalits started taking qualitative steps forward. That was a historical moment in India.

I consider myself an Ambedkarite only because as far as I am concerned the light shone by Ambedkar is quite important for India. Santhosh: Another aspect is that, after visiting Dandakaranya, Arundhati Roy had written a long article entitled "Walking with the Comrades". I think, after that, her image as an independent writer suffered a setback. The ripple effects of that article were felt among the Dalit-Adivasi movements and independent thinkers in India.

Could she have written the foreword to Ambedkar as part of a strategy to tide over this setback? Kapicadu: I do not know if there was any such move from her part. One should understand that even in this foreword she mentions the 'great' activities Maoists are engaged in. That is to say, it is discussed that Ambedkar was unable to understand the problems of the Adivasis correctly and what happens in Central India now is a very important movement.

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What we should understand is that Ambedkar's constituency was that of Dalits, that of untouchables. He was not somebody who was involved in or led any Adivasi movements. But he has expressed many opinions on Adivasi issues. Even Arundhati Roy expresses an opinion in this regard.

It is about the issue of how other communities are not rooting for the progress of Adivasis. However, we should also be attentive to what Ambedkar is saying. He observes that since Dalits are a fragmented group in India, there are obstacles to their progress, but since Adivasis are concentrated region-wise, there is a possibility of them making advances in the future. We should know that, even as there is Maoist presence in Central India, there are many strong political leaders and chief ministers from tribal communities in the region.

It is merely a romantic imagination at work when a claim is made that with the creation of the Indian Constitution, the lives of Adivasis were destroyed. The Constitution, among other things, opens up the possibilities of Adivasi self-governance.

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What is the point in blaming the Constitution, if the state lacks the will to put in motion the possibilities offered by it? The British government hadn't invited any Adivasi representatives for the first, second, and third Round Table Conferences. However, three Dalit representatives attended these meetings. It was Ambedkar who confronted Gandhi during these meetings. When Arundhati argues that Gandhi was following Ambedkar's logic as part of this context, she employs a shrewdness that can never be justified.

Kapicadu: I believe her methodology melds all these elements. That is to say, discuss about constitutional impasses, at the same time raise Adivasi issues, and refer to Maoist movements.

In this fashion there is an attempt to bring to us a Maoist sense of righteousness.

There is no doubt about that. With surety we can say that there is a message which tries to convey the righteousness of Maoism in the foreword. K Santhosh: One of the key changes that have happened in the Hindu belt of Central India is the rise to power of subalterns and Dalits.

When Maoist ways are considered right, aren't these progresses made invisible?

Kapicadu: I do not think Maoists in Central India are working towards solving the problems of the Adivasis, as claimed by Arundhati in the book. Maoists are working there because they consider it as a laboratory of Maoism to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat.

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Adivasi issue is just an immediate problem to be confronted as far as they are concerned. There are statements in the book which deliberately overlook the fact that Maoism is not a movement oriented towards solving the Adivasi problems in India.

Another issue is, she states that when talking about corruption there is no point in just blaming Mayawati. However, why doesn't she understand that after Dr Ambedkar it was BSP's emergence that truly created a fundamental rupture in Indian politics? Kanshi Ram was the leader of BSP. He said that he could not sleep after reading AoC. How shall I bought me said to night said like Malayalam kochu book little.

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